We wrote an article here about the most common problems on the B58. Individual adaptations of injectors. Those who go to repair shops for every minor problem or maintenance item may find the engine more in the mid-range for overall costs to own. A lair of excellent specialists. Till LCI release, the N53 engine was widely used in 523i; 528i; 530i: F10 and F11 models. In 2010, the 335i received the updated N55 engine followed by the B58 in 2016, however, the model was rebranded to the 340i. Part 2, Importance of the service procedures. MSV70/80, MSD80 and Lambda probes. Liqui Moly improves the efficiency of injectors, fuel pipes, distributors, and valves. Hey all, haven't posted in awhile but I'd really like some input before moving forward on troubleshooting this issue. Speeds upwards of 180-190mph are possible with tunes and bolt-ons. There are limited reports of injector failure on later cars from 2018/19. Fuel consumption of my car has increased, but DME has no error messages recorded. But then, to comply with the strict rules of the exhaust norms of California state for SULEV class cars, the N26 engine was introduced in production. Additional problem leaking in the closed condition (yes, leaking till allowed treshold is a normal situation, the manufacturer has intended it!). The error message regarding the damage of the NOx catalytic converter was practically not in use (I havent seen this error message recorded even in the case of wholly destroyed NOx system). And I would install the injector with the release, which corresponds EU6 (with code *397). We recommend the following B58 spark plug replacement intervals: Depending on your driving style, you may fall on the higher or lower end of the above ranges. And the story can begin. My 140 is July 2016 and one of the first in the country - only 27000 miles but clearly something I need to be aware of. Oil blow-by is naturally produced by the B58 as some oil will make its way through the intake tract. 11.0:1. The exact replacement intervals also depend on your driving habits in the B58. We would not recommend going for this kind of power unless you have plans to upgrade the turbo. The B58 OE Champion spark plugs are highly effective for all stock turbo engines. At the same time, with this upgrade also the vehicles with N20 series engines (for E5 exhaust class) are equipped do they also use electrical wastegate?Unexpected kindness from the manufacturer. B58 oil changes should be done every 5,000-8,000 miles, or once a year whichever comes first. Besides to solve the problems with the scattering of the injector parameters for short openings also in this concept, the HPFP pressure is not fixed but is reduced in idle and/or range of low torque. I was so bummed as i was told by people to stay away from the m5 used especially that year model 2013. BMW 3-Series and 4-Series Forum (F30 / F32) | F30POST, B58 Turbo Engine / Drivetrain / Exhaust Modifications, https://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/shodiagId=13_1754, https://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/par90&series=F30N. There are tons of "scoring threads" on this forum, mentioned on tuned and stock engines. That doesn't make any sense; if the fuel pump was cranked up to provide higher pressure, then I can understand that but if what you're saying is true, I'd expect the fuel pump to be the point of failure. Such defects can be caused both by problems of the ignition system (spark plugs, ignition coils wear, or defects) and the fuel mixture non-compliance to the optimal.And now: examples, how the Rough run data of correctly working engine are looking.Idle: Low required torque (20 .. 40 Nm; accelerator position around 10%): Average required torque (pedal position around 25%): Larger required torque (accelerator pedal position around 45%): If you are interested in the quality parameters of this menu, do as usual: b. turn off the ignition coil of some cylinder for a running engine. Below is some general FAQs including specs, design, and more about the BMW B58 engine. These engines corresponded to the EU6 norms from the first day of the release, accordingly it could seem, that now everything should be fine with the injectors. An example. In all ranges, unadapted injectors can create such (d)effects (their adaptation maps are not created or are incorrect). 5. Whats the difference, Dealer. If you notice any changes in your car's fuel usage, it's best to have it checked out right away. F10/11. Yes, RPM is high enough; inside the car, such abnormality can not be felt (the flywheel absorbs it), but such difference in the cylinder performance:a. gives increased load on the CO catalytic converters and damages them;b. reduces max torque of the engine;c. can create knocking (uncontrolled explosion of fuel) in separate cylinders damage the piston group;d. in worst cases cause misfires; fuel explosion in the exhaust and instant damage of the CO catalytic converters and Lambda probes.Causes of the defect:a. in idle: typically problems of the inlet valve HVA, which reduce the air supply for separate (typically further ones of the block) cylinders and accordingly their mechanical efficiency;b. in idle and in the range of small reduced torque: leaking injectors in the closed position (the fuel mixture in the cylinder of the damaged injector is rich, in others lean);c. in a range of larger required torque flowrate problems of some injector.Notes. Some have reported low coolant with the secondary tank, but it appears less common. Are there any ways to see the health status of the NOx system?, B58. Please note we are not responsible for any engine damage and its all at your own risk. Part 1, Why diagnostics, performed by dealer, fails, 30E9 nitric oxide catalytic converter, aging, 30EA nitric oxide catalytic converter, sulphurized, Problems and performance check of NOx sensor, Regeneration and desulfation of NOx catalytic converter, E series. We recommend Liqui Moly oil products for the B58. The mechanism with the spring is more robust and stronger.. Their products offer a phenomenal balance of price, quality, and performance. Stratified charge performance check, NOx sensor. **Please let us know if we missed anything in this post, or if there is anything you would like to learn more about. Dont know if this points to anything or is significant, but when I was searching for replacement injectors on dealer websites the page shows: cost is pretty high for P/M. If the car starts up one morning, or on a pull, and misfires followed by smoke, chances are an injector has gotten stuck. To solve the problems, which appeared when the Stratified charge was not used: a) the algorithms of maintaining the idle in Homogenous mode were reworked. The N54 takes the cake in regards to horsepower capabilities, but it had many engine problems as a result. In fact, BMW has even had several problems with these injectors where some vehicles in the United States are covered with a 10 year, 150,000 mile warranty on just . As with the N55, the B58 engine uses a single twin-scroll turbocharger. The N54 is well known for being a pretty unreliable car. Location: Canton, GA. iTrader: ( 0) Drivetrain Malfunction, Multiple Misfires, getting worse. Am I going to dig it up, nope, but feel free to use the search button. BMW 520d 2.0 Diesel Engine. Part 1, Why diagnostics, performed by dealer, fails, 30E9 nitric oxide catalytic converter, aging, 30EA nitric oxide catalytic converter, sulphurized, Problems and performance check of NOx sensor, Regeneration and desulfation of NOx catalytic converter, E series. F10/11. Different (remaining) efficiency of cylinders. Of course, the new M-engine S58 . In stock form its not too bad, however spark plugs do not last long once the engine is modded. F10/11. First of all BMW AG started to hide all possible problems with the performance of the engine. Mechanical Maintenance - Break-in, Oil, Fluids, Servicing, Etc. In 2018, the B58 received a technical update known as the B58TU1. Part 2, Persistent vibration in Homogeneous mode. Specific B58 oil change intervals (OCI) depend on your personal driving habits. Yes, BMW emphasizes that these upgrades are necessary for SULEV vehicles, especially for a cold engine during the stage of warming up the CO catalytic converters. I'm not sure how the dealers feel about spacers . F series. Please ensure your correct model is selected. This time - regarding data, available in the ISTA/Expert mode. $436.16. N series. Avoid this costly issue by maintaining your servicing appointments. However, time will tell just how bad the valves look around the 100,000+ mile mark. Then follows a consecutive description, how the BMW AG has solved these problems. Normally, we recommend colder spark plugs on highly modded BMW engines. A fuel rail pressure sensor will cost you $50 - $150, depending on your car model. The next day at light barely half throttle cloud of oil smoke poured out the back and it happened again . I had something very similar with out the mod. The internals and design are plenty strong to surpass 200,000 miles. Rough run. As with many turbo BMW engines the B58 loves to burn through spark plugs. Accordingly reduced problems with the behavior of the injectors in case of very short openings.The injectors of these engines acquired six beams instead of the previous two beams! Part 1. The B58 uses a single twin-scroll turbo. The efficiency of cylinders No.3 and No.4 is average;c. The efficiency of cylinders No. Baum Tools. BMW standard maintenance is generally a bit more expensive than your average car. What exactly this is already the next step in the diagnostics.Such performance of the cylinder causes the diesel car feeling permanent vibration. There has been many cases with this issue bone stock and tuned. Hey! N63. Because it is clear that each manufacturer tries to hide his problems. We dont really love that idea. Part 2. Rep. 447. Its a good balance, in our opinion. Will report back with results That should do it. LL01 approved oils will also work well on the B58. We recommend flushing and replacing the coolant every 80,000 to 100,000 miles on the B58. Check Price. Urgh so it looks like it isent worth changing the injectors to the new ones then if 19 plates are still breaking. engine failure and limp mode . This means each cylinder uses 2 exhaust and 2 intake valves for a total of 24 valves. As such, the JB4 is limited by the parameters built into the stock DME. Typically, FBO on the B58 refers to a tune, intake, and downpipe. Some let go at 500whp while others hold up for years at 700whp. So far, the B58 won four Wards 10 Best Engine awards. Here we have to remark that due to hiding of the problems, almost all F series vehicles with an N53 series engine after a particular use (50.000 km+) were not using a Stratified charge. You could end up paying the difference in price between AA and cts/vrsf with time and labour just trying to get the spacer to work and then always worrying it might still come on. Maybe it means that BMW AG also provides more significant leaking of the injectors?c) the generation of the DME software increased from MEVD 17.2.4 to 17.2.9. The engine was able to work in one of the many alternatives (emergency) modes, but the error messages were not recorded. Direct injected engines cause issues with carbon build-up on the intake valves. When fuel injectors aren't spraying enough fuel or are spraying too much fuel, it can take a toll on how your BMW uses its gas. Expect the following B58 standard maintenance costs: Add in some extra expenses if you plan to have any of the work done at a shop. BMW B46/B58 vs B46TU/B58TU. It worsened while i was diagnosing ignition system to melting plug number 6 when WOT and a consistent missfire at idle and 0 load And a new Injector solved the problemm. Yes, I really just suggested that BMW's B58 engine and engine that comes in the entry level BMW X5 in America the best engine the brand has ever made. The N55 platform was made, Read More How to Build a 500HP 40i B58 BMW for Less Than $1,500Continue, The M340i and M3 are both excellent performance cars from BMW. Our garage currently includes a 2008 135i, 2007 335i, and 2008 535i. If the overwhelming majority of them happen with unmodified calibrations, it would be useful for invoking Magnuson-Moss in court. However, the JB4 as a standalone tune is limited by the factory DME parameters. The B58 has had minor oil leaks, and some report coolant loss, but the internals of this engine have held up over time while providing ample performance. What are deviations from the ideal allowed? Uneven running. It manages a respectable 322-382hp and 332-369 lb-ft from the factory. We broke down the rough engine maintenance costs above. The N55 only requires walnut blasting every 80,000ish miles. Time will tell how often its necessary on the B58. The Gen 2 B58 have newer HPFP and should better work under remapping. The labor work costs 50$ to 150$, depending on the workshop. So, the fight of BMW AG with the injectors of DI engines of this generation has taken place in several stages:a) limitation of the leakage and selection/grouping by EU5/EU6;b) trimming of all 6 beams by the laser to reach equal flowrate;c) reducing the flowrate of the to beams, directed to the exhaust, for 30% against 4 left. Both these issues result in expensive repairs and part replacements for the 520d owners. I'm not sure if these changes in the B58TU have anything to do with this. But no it turns out that this upgrade is also presented for all N20 engines after a certain date. In my opinion, cylinder scoring is bad air intake or an oil problem. MG Flasher Now Supports Late Model B48 MINIs! Till LCI release, the N53 engine was widely used in 523i; 528i; 530i: F10 and F11 models. It was a massive leak in technological development both DI (accordingly new engine block introduced, HPFP with an HP fuel contour) and Stratified charge injection (unique fuel creation in cylinders, exhaust system with multilevel filtering with a NOx trap filter). Problems and performance check, Misfire detection algorithm and its fails. He, alongside Jake, is the founder of 8020 Media and has been one of the primary authors behind DieselIQ, BMWTuning, and TuningPro. Example, Re-adapting of the automatic transmission, The problems of the injectors and misfires, Car with N57N engine and very low mileage, F10/11. Can anyone here help ? Dealers attempt to sketch you for EUR 6000? Appreciate 0 Quote 09-14-2018, 03:52 PM #8: e85m4. Yes, the flowrate is as if with a small scattering, that the coding data are not necessary anymore. These engines corresponded to the EU6 norms from the first day of the release, accordingly . The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Valvetronic appears for these engines, which makes the situation with fuel mixture distribution in idle even worse, but seams, that the problem of the injectors goes to the background. Fitting also available on this item. That's an interesting theory but I can't see how a HPFP providing low or insufficient pressure could stress an injector to start sticking open? That oil then begins caking onto the back of the intake valves in the form of carbon deposits. Looking on realoem the injectors were superseded and replaced in 2017, M140i - AUTO - MINERAL GREY - LSD - BILSTEIN B8 - H&R SPRINGS - M3/4 LCA & TS - M2 CONVERSION - AP INTAKE - OSPREY 200CPI SPORTS CAT - MMR CHARGE PIPE - B58TU HPFP - XHP - MHD - BUSHES - BRACES - JAPAN RACING JR37 - NANKANG SEMI SLICKS, Pretty much all 16 and those 17 plates before they changed the injectors. Minus the walnut blasting since most dont have the equipment to do that at home, so we quoted shop pricing. Turbo engines are also a bit more demanding on standard maintenance. Due to injector problems, these engines were a nightmare for BMW AG. Drives: M4. Where could be the problem? flowrate problems of some injector. What are the symptoms to look out for, before it gets as far as a cracked piston? Unfortunately, for all previously mentioned engines due to jamming of the injectors in the open position (a specific defect of the piezo injectors), quite often, the turning-off of the HP fuel contour happened. 340i and 440i models received the 320hp variant with 332 lb/ft of torque. Ultimately, BMW recommends oil changes every 10,000 miles. Changed all spark plugs and coil pack changed oil too . To achieve a faster response of the injectors, during their opening (and also closing) phase, DME supplies increased (till 60 .. 70V) voltage. Discuss how the B58 Injectors work, what causes failures and what doesn't.This Google Doc was created to help track failures from other enthusiastsYou only need to add your details if you *HAVE* experience an injector failureGoogle Sheet Link: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1mDdW5x_01RAUZwAaF9HwCM72nGOk42JX-2rVz_iZVKo/edit------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Join this channel to get access to perks:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCm2nZrZHSg3IjGBfp7lDpdg/joinOrder your B58 parts through my BimmerNetwork Affiliate Link (Coupon Code \"kern417\"):https://www.bimmernetwork.com/?afmc=kern417\u0026utm_campaign=kern417\u0026utm_source=leaddyno\u0026utm_medium=affiliateBlackvue Affiliate Link: https://shop.blackvue.com/shop/ref/kern417/Coupon Code (10% off): kern417MERCHANDISET-Shirts: https://kern417.creator-spring.comStickers: $5 each. JavaScript is disabled. N43/N53 E and F series. However, those in hot climates may be better suited to 5W-30. Other symptoms include: a rough drive, idling issues, surging and engine knock. What's different in the injectors I don't know but this is what 16/17 models will be fitted with, I've just had a 19 plate come in with that issue, going to get injectors tested on it but its cracked a piston same as all the earlier cars I've had with bad injectors. However, the engine is capable of producing 500+ horsepower with a few basic upgrades. Wonder if that crappy 0-20 oil has anything to do with it. MSV70/80, MSD80 and Lambda probes. Your email address will not be published. Dont overlook this basic maintenance item on the B58. Probably. At this moment, piezo injectors appeared in the BMW petrol engine. We wrote a short post about the max boost here. Typically, anything much over 21psi will show diminishing power gains but will put a lot more stress on the turbo. Rough run. The same can be said for walnut blasting. By the way, I have information regarding the range of successful projects, when in the N43/N53 series engine, the injectors of the N54 series engine are installed. We recommend running a 0W-30 weight oil on the B58. Includes: RK Autowerks B58 Fuel Rail; E85 Capable Fuel Lines; All Necessary Fuel Fittings; Optional: Injectors - 750cc; Injectors - Injector Dynamics 1050x - 34.14.14.6; Compatible with: RK Autowerks B58 Billet Port Injection Manifold; Such a solution has as if improved the fulfillment of cylinders. Rough run. Rep. 875. Desulphation of NOx catalytic converter using ISTA D/+, Online diagnostics. Smooth run. Its tough to say. No possible repair only complete 40k engine replacement . The B58 holds 6.9 quarts (~6.5L) of engine oil. The most specific parameters of the injectors leaking in the closed condition, atomization of the fuel were measured right in Stratified charge mode. Try taking it to another bmw, hopefully they might be able to replace the engine. Point is, standard maintenance isnt cheap. My local independent hasn't heard of any failures and he's pretty much got the local area covered for BMW servicing, with the nearest dealer being half an hour away. So did the dealer end up replacing your engine? What would I do, if I had the engine, equipped with these injectors?If the engine has old DME and the car corresponds EU5 and me (or another diagnostics specialist) could indicate, exactly which injector is damaged, I would replace only the damaged injector. Problems of air-tightness, Idle. Then the rod eye is cracked in two which ensures a precise fit. The BMW B58 entered production in 2015. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. 4. Outside of that, engine problems are still rather unknown and uncommon. An example. M140I SE / MG, Oyster, Orbit Grey / Manual / MP-LSD / Heated Seats / Adaptive. That is far from the truth. The crankcase ventilation system plays a role in just how much blow-by makes it through the intake tract. Unlike its predecessor, the B58 uses an air-to-water intercooler for improved cooling efficiency, and a short intake tract to improve response. Its also not terribly expensive, especially for the DIY crowd. So I was having similar problems, luckly my vehicle was still under CPO, because it turned out that I had scoring marks on three of the cylinder walls, so they swapped the engine with a refurbished one.. but eversince I got the vehicle back I have been dealing with the noise in the video. have you guys experienced this ? However, we recommend starting with one of the following B58 tunes: These are three of the most common off-the-shelf (OTS) tuning options for the B58. Now becoming a common cause of poor running on these engines. Unsurprisingly, the success, Read More BMW N54 vs. N55 vs. B58 vs. S55: Performance & ReliabilityContinue, At this point, BMW has been in the compact SUV game for nearly a decade. Emissions Problems Checked code and it said cylinder 8 misfired . N43/N53 E and F series. Certain G series models began receiving the updated B58TU1 in 2019. But did not have any other issues. Even then, its not truly needed. Since the BMW B58 uses an intercooler the temperature of the air entering the intake does not matter much. BMW considers coolant to be a lifetime fluid. Problems of air-tightness, Idle. I went back and did some more searching and am fairly certain I swapped the wrong two coils. Check out our B58 downpipe guide for more info. New. The BMW B58 engine is a turbo 3.0L inline-6 that was first introduced to BMW models in 2016. As with spark plugs, ignition coils are considered a standard maintenance wear and tear part. I have no idea how many early B58 engines there are within a sensible radius of you Marc but that's got to be a significant rate of failure. However, we think its a bit too long between oil changes. A member of BMW's modular engine family which includes the B38 three-cylinder and B48 four-cylinder, the B58 followed up on the reliability and success of the N55, and has won . Light acceleration triggered this and alot of smoke from tail pipes . Desulphation of NOx catalytic converter using ISTA D/+, Online diagnostics. Required fields are marked *. However, we believe Toyota opting to use the B58 says a lot. Potential Problems for B58 Engines. Its a lot of torque for a factory single turbo bolted to a 3.0L inline 6. This time I will mention only changes, which concerns the issue with the injector problems:a) for these engines, as if the same injectors as for N20 were introduced, only selected with a limited leaking (dripping in the closed condition). Refurbished. Typical situation in case of damage of the NOx sensor, Intake manifold. OEM Replacement Unit: Bosch Gasoline/Petrol Direct Injectors. N series. Bmw says there is damage to the cylinder 4. Unfortunately I don't have the codes from those . Coolant also helps prevent corrosion. Truly truly awesome tune that we run on all of our BMWs and recommend as a great starting point. Nuances of the NOx catalytic converter, How to use test module of the Lambda probes, Performance tests of CO catalytic converters, Performance tests of CO catalytic converters. Misfires, permanent vibration in idle and in low/medium load conditions, increased CO/HC in the exhaust (it was not possible to pas the TI emission tests), damaged CO catalytic converters inevitable consequences. Thats beside the fact most B58 powered BMWs are mid-range cars relative to their line-up. The Bosch solenoid injector used on the B58 engine Turbo Charger. 2 and No.5 is the smallest.Why does such a situation form? ~480-500whp. That's surely pretty concerning stats for the average B58 owner, no? Drives: 2011 E92 BW. Can you tell us, have they all been high mileage cars? You are using an out of date browser. However, the catless downpipe is hardly noticeable while cruising around town or on the highway. Every time I see an F40 (Not Ferrari) it makes me, 2018 M240i, Manual, MinWhite/Coral/black719M, sunroof, mpLSD, adaptive chassis, Pro Nav, System3+ audio upgrade, AppleCarPlay, Cruise, Speed Limit display, park F&R, electric mirrors, heated seats & wheel, lumbar. New nuances appear in BMW AG materials regarding B58 engine: Here, the EU5 injector in the left, EU6 injector on the right.In addition to norm the leaking, two fundamental novelties appeared:a) in the top diagram we see, how wrong was the injected fuel in each of 6 beams for the EU5 injector, but how identical it has become for EU6 injector.