I remember sitting down at my local coffee shop, Phils and printing out, I killed like six trees, your piece and Raoul Pal had a piece out, too, and had intended to be there for like 30 minutes, ended up being there for like two hours. With data and benchmarks that track back more than 40 years, Preqin Pro is the most trusted data provider in the industry. Artemis Capital Management (ACM) is a Texas-based hedge fund manager founded in February 2009 by Christopher Cole. But the volatility-linked fund is now in its element, as markets have been thrashed by the quickly spreading coronavirus and a glut of oil supply that has sent crude's price tumbling. WebArtemis Capital Management is a New Jersey-based multi-strategy multi-manager investment firm. Those strategies may not be bad, necessarily, but they shouldnt be considered diversifiers for the portfolio, they should be considered like an equity or a bond replacement, not a diversifier. One of the big criticisms that Ive got on the paper, which I think is a little bit unfair, which is like, well, youre still having correlation risk in that portfolio, in the Dragon Portfolio, I would agree, theres still a correlation risk in the Dragon portfolio. I personally invested on AcreTrader and I can say it is a very easy way to access one of my favorite investment asset classes, farmland. Chris: You look at this framework, and these are the diversifiers that actually generate and those are for the metric, you could actually take out a loan at LIBOR plus something, layer any of those strategies on top of your pre-existing 60/40 portfolio and you end up having a better portfolio. WebArtemis Capital Management is an investment, research, and technology firm that employs quantitative and behavioral-based trading models to generate returns from market Well, at the end of the day, you know, hes truly a proponent of deflation and continues to be a proponent of deflation. The third asset class is what we call fiat alternatives. When you look at a risk parity portfolio, which actually performs all right over 100 years. But basically, its like people get marketed these high Sharpe ratio strategies, which by the way, are usually if it is that on paper, its like the turnaround and run, as you mentioned, like the option selling but even if you think something as a 2, 3, 4 Sharpe, and you look at all the managers over history, theres none that over time, they all kind of declined to below one. And its like a brain pretzel not to try to figure out what environment that can possibly exist in because theoretically, the trend side will pick up whatever is happening eventually. And it illustrates something you were talking about, which is the struggle of having multiple parties involved in the unwillingness of people to have a long enough time horizon. Weve already talked about your new pieces. If you love the show, if you hate it, shoot us feedback at feedback@themebfarbershow.com, we love to read the reviews, please review us on iTunes and subscribe to the show, anywhere good podcasts are found. WebArtemis Capital Management LPS Post Artemis Capital Management LP 3,696 followers 1y Report this post Report Report. I think there is a tremendous value there. Hence, some of my frustration that we expressed at the beginning of the show, both of our frustration with some of the way that regulators look at the world. And where corporate debt to GDP is at all-time highs, U.S. government deficits to GDP are at the highest level since World War II, can we expect the next 40 years to repeat? This is true of any of these, this is true to some extent, any of these other diversifiers. That occurs sometimes or the efficacy of fixed income becomes neuter when rates are at the zero bound, because you just cant lower rates much more. WebInflows and recoveries in value through the first-quarter of 2023, have driven the combined assets under management of the main UCITS cat bond fund strategies Some individuals actually were able to actually generate a lot of EEMO for that. Well, hes so good at rebounding the basketball, he would rebound close to 20 rebounds a game when he played with Michael Jordan. Request a demofor full access to this profile. Meb: It also didnt help. Chris: Still in Austin, Texas right behind us. Long volatility looked terrible until March. So, it may look like wed want to shoot the bonds in this environment, but maybe when all of this, we get to kind of wear out of the stimulus and people The full scope of the unemployment problems and the fact that people solvency problems comes to light, maybe we get a sharp left turn back to deflation and then, all of a sudden, you end up getting some solid performance out of the bond portfolio. Well, whats the central problem with a 60/40 portfolio and also risk parity? Its something like the diary, the depression or something along those lines that is talking about it through the lens of a journal in real-time, and my God, what a different world and conclusions you would come to than someone who lived in this post-war period. The adviser's REGISTRATION status is listed below. If I recall, in most foreign markets where interest rates were already at zero or negative, it actually didnt hedge, I think most of the foreign bonds, right? I think Pippen is right on. I mean, today with the inflation print that is at the highest level since 2007, fascinating. But a lot of times, people will take those products and oftentimes for a long vol fund, you might only need 2% to 10% of the capital. And I looked at this with the intention of actually finding the optimal mix of assets that can perform through every market cycle. We first warned about that in 2015, then again in 2017, and then Mike Green, I dont if you had him on the show, but Mike is an amazing, brilliant talent, smart guy, but him and I actually had an argument at a Derivatives Conference, we were doing the keynote together. And what that stands for is Cole Wins Above Replacement Portfolio, CWARP is what were calling it. Its not about diversification over a day or a week, its about diversification over an entire decade. Meb: Im trying to even figuring out how that could possibly happen. It aims to achieve a positive return over a rolling three-year period, after fees, notwithstanding I think the wrong impulse is to say, Im going to invest in long vol, gold, cash, and build a bunker, use these as diversifiers, and rebalance them accordingly. So, you couldnt include him. I dont know if its going to be deflation, but we have an unprecedented level of global debt, highest corporate debt to GDP in American history, some of the highest government deficits, and the spending isnt stopping, whether thats good or bad. Bay leaves, I dont think they do anything to a soup. Meb: I just assume it just kind of does its own thing. I mean, this is literally probably my favorite paper for the last three years. Chris: Whats been amazing is I like to say this, the last 12 months or 2020 was essentially an entire business cycle condensed into one year. Where do we find you? Other portfolios like risk parity vol target will diversify based on rolling correlations and rolling volatility. And financial advisors, its even worse because your business revenue is tied to the stock market, clients freak out, they pull their assets. WebAnd, the research showed, 93% of rolling 12-month periods delivering positive nominal returns. Theres no sense of balance. So, this dream of this magical land of alpha juice just flowing in rivers, I think is unrealistic, even looking at the top investors of all time. Thats my two cents. And thats when you should be putting money. Stay up to date with what you want to know. I mean, to me, it seems obvious, but youre kind of speaking to your wheelhouse. Meb: Its like the most immediate out of sample test ever. Showing 2 of 2 known decision makers at Artemis Capital Management, Preqin screens the most influential contacts in alternatives, so you only reach the key decision makers. And then on top of that, when you have 10% inflation a year, and your bonds are losing money, and your stocks arent doing anything, youre losing money on a real basis. Meb: Going back to what you mentioned earlier about investors and the 60/40. He says, you know, Youre not buying the players, youre buying wins and to buy wins, you need to buy runs.. Its interesting because when I did the 100-year portfolio paper, I didnt know what the answer would be. I think our clients are smart about that. I mean, last year is such a recent clear example when the worlds going to hell, when unemployment goes from 4% to 15%, when the economy is going down the tank, yadda, yadda, on and on and on, oh, by the way, your portfolios also getting smashed. You wouldnt eat a bay leaf. Content featuring industry thought leaders, Have updates for this profile? Anyone can look at our paper, anyone can replicate the backtest weve done on the paper, we provide Its a very long paper with a very long appendix and quantitative notes. WebARTEMIS CAPITAL ADVISERS LP, ARTEMIS CAPITAL MANAGEMENT LP (RELYING ADVISER), ARTEMIS CAPITAL MANAGEMENT LP. If your rebounder or your defensive player or your goalie hasnt been used for most of the game because your offence is doing so well, you dont pull your defenders, investors do it all the time. I would think that if you had 100 years of records for short biased hedge funds, which dont, but I would theorize that that would rank higher on that wins above replacement portfolio metrics. Right now, everyones racing to buy real estate. Form D contains basic information about the offering and the company. Unlock exclusive data on future plans, company financials, fundraising history, track records, and more. I should say, I mean, I know people who are in these financial systems, many of them are brilliant people, very smart, incredible people. But even a great product, a job with your products that are actually broadening and making some of these strategies available to people to some degree. There is value in having someone put the pieces together for you, though. 
People assume its just like, hey, stocks go down and bonds are going to save you. But then when they actually had to go implement it, no chance. That is a great tragedy. I think Ill know the answer. Unfortunately, Im also on Twitter. This has never happened. Meb: Thats like institutional portfolio manager messing up a good thing. It is not designed to meet your personal financial situation - we are not investment advisors nor do we give personalized investment advice. But even within that amount of time, the tiny subset that people extrapolate from is so tiny, and even more so, so much of people we talked to, even just the last 10 years, post-financial crisis of things like the U.S. always outperforms the rest of the world, which is, not only not true in history but its not even close to being true and is the exception, not the rule. So, this was not a surprise to us, but I think it was a wonderful out of sample test to look at the theory that was presented in the paper. And the proof is in the pudding. Chris: Itd be a slow sunburn. And we are entering a period of secular decline in some capacity, the framework where, I dont know if its going to be stagflation. I mean, well post them to the show notes, listeners, mebfaber.com/podcast, but keep up with what yall are doing, inquire into your funds, everything else? Photographer: Thats not what people want to hear on fin twit. The $139 million Vega Fund has posted returns of 14.66% in March through Wednesday, according to a factsheet seen by Business Insider, after returning 6.1% in February, when the coronavirus selloff starting gripping markets. And that is admittedly difficult. Is that possible? Now, they might be unwilling for a variety of reasons. Again, referencing my buddy Eric Crittenden used to do with investors is he would make all the asset classes anonymous, and give it to an investor and say, Okay, look at these stats, you pick, what do you want, and/or put them together and show the final portfolios. And of course, he was looking at the trend following world, invariably, they would end up with a huge chunk and trend following of which they hadnt done. And then the volatility, I dont even know how that would possibly miss I dont know. So, that was the guy who was creating havoc on the perimeter. To this point, recency is a major systemic risk because we just cant use what worked yesterday to inform what might occur tomorrow. Sponsor Message: Todays episode is sponsored by AcreTrader. Thats the problem. I didnt do that paper with a product in mind, I didnt do that paper I had a sense that it would show that something like long vol would be helpful, but it was truly like an intellectual exercise. 
Meb: They just hit 100-year anniversary this past week. But come to our website. Its only useful once you have a collection of managers in a portfolio. But to go back to the 60/40 portfolio concept, which, you know, if you look at most pension systems now its about 70/20. But I actually see it as something that should be an alternative to equity or the passive equity. But you might be a baseball guy, or someone might be a soccer person. And we said its an okay rule of thumb when youre looking at assets that are kind of similar being, like long-only equities. Walk us through kind of last couple years in Artemis and Coles world. So, every single day, the equity market is down two, three basis points without fail. This, I think is shocking for most people to understand, and one of the biggest flaws in portfolio construction. Chris: When somebody looks at the performance metrics of those investment products, it does not take into account the opportunity cost of capital and the value of the capital during the cycle. WebArtemis Capital Management is a New Jersey-based multi-strategy multi-manager investment firm. So, you know, the question at the end of the day, I mean, if history repeats, okay, you know, the 60/40 portfolio, fine, but its very difficult to sit back and say with rates where they are, stocks where they are, and valuations where they are, could we get a repeat of that? There are some incredibly smart people in these institutions, incredibly smart people who have to answer to a whole range of boards and oversight boards and trustees, some of which arent financially educated. I might want to shoot bonds and I might regret it. I think in the paper that is yet to be released, we had a preview of it. Theres nothing wrong with private equity. The firm's other strategies, all of which are volatility arbitrage, have also jumped in March so far Hedgehog is up 11.94% and Hedgehog and the Fox is up 4.40%. Last time, we were talking about volatility, which no one really seemed to care about and tail events and long vol and then, sure enough, my goodness, we turn the page on a decade and wham, whats been going on? But I can think of one environment where all the asset classes would go down together. So, not at all what you would consider in your mind is a low loss balanced portfolio. Please, enjoy this episode with Artemis Capital Managements Chris Cole. And then in the second quarter gold, and equities are doing well, while your long vol is suffering. You know, its funny, you mentioned that part about the environment we grew up in because its such a massively imprinting factor on how we all view the world. Yeah, it also gets into this concept too, which is really interesting. But you see that the challenge of these structures with so many people involved its hard to look different, almost, which in many ways is a big shame. ABOUT ARTEMIS. The firm employs systematic trading models to generate alpha from the behavior of market volatility. Thats true for things like I mean, if you look at it, even something like private equity, for example, where private equity, in essence, requires inexpensive debt in rising markets, thats a secular growth strategy. These inefficiencies can be opportunities for people. And Quantix Commodities, a hedge fund run by former Goldman traders, including former partner Don Casturo, is up for the year as of Monday, sources say. The beauty of your paper, and everything youre talking about, is that the appreciation for history of what has happened, even in this limited amount of time, you call it 200 years of history, 50 years of sort of floating rate currencies, actually not that long. 
Chris: Exactly. If there are huge gains, but rapidly rising inflation, it becomes really, really difficult to debt finance, all these acquisition targets, and you run into the same problems. Meb: Whats been the main response to the paper? Meb: Theres a bunch in there. And youve seen a lot of institutions go this way on their own, where theyll like, it could be a managed futures manager, it could be a long vol manager, and I say, Look, I know youre not going to be able to stomach this on your own because were human. By the same reason, there is no breakout performance in commodities, because theres no rampant out of control inflation because rates are ticking up bit by bit by bit a day. Sports has long figured this out. 
And of course, we talk some long volatility! Comments or suggestions? Theyre so focused on individual asset or manager performance, that theyre not focused on how that manager or how that asset helps your total portfolio. Those are really some of the only strategies or assets where you can do that. He focuses on all things volatility related, his goal, as is many, is to profit during market turbulence, and given the recent market hiccups, its a great time to have him on. We call it the dead cash problem. Meb: But seems like the good news is at least that its not going to be hard left, like, youre going to lose half. With Preqin Pro, you gain an unobstructed view of all alternative asset class activity across institutional investors, fund managers, funds, portfolio companies, deals, exits, and service providers. Meb: Whos like the most inconsistent of the bulls? Meb: Q1, theoretically, could have been the runway because bonds terrible starting point, stocks terrible starting point, gold, like you could just Gold, who knows with gold, and the commodity could just be off on the wrong foot at the beginning of it. How would rolling put strategy perform? 
Meb: Im surprised its so high given that the vast majority of hedge funds as a category is simply long, short equity. He knows way more about inflation than I do. 
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The beauty of what you have, and its hard for, I think, a lot of people thinking about true diversification and what that actually means because you have three big muscle movements that are missing from other traditional portfolios, people may have 2%, 3%, I dont hardly ever see more than 5%, any of these being the precious metals kind of gold sleeve, the long vol, and then the trend following sleeves ends up being actually over half the portfolio. Meb: Awesome, my friend. That ended during the Nixon Shock, where they actually had devaluation against gold. Then, you want to look at strategies that perform in periods of secular stagflation. The rising oil prices during the summer along with equities provided huge gains during that period. It may become outdated an there is no obligation to update any such information. But Artemis has been doing great. It was created by Kasera, Khaitan, et al. When you get a big free agent, you dont really care about that free agent stats. 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