And I got it. And with that opening, I felt like it was confirmed. Thats right. And Im just trying to smear him. And I was just, it was entertaining, you know, on one level, but on the other level, just absolutely tragic. And scripture is really clear that its got to be, you know, two or three witnesses. And we would be loved, it would actually be a loving thing for us to do. His employment is coming to an end. ARC is one of the largest church planting organizations in North America. This was months months later. Im sorry, before a so called board.removes a man of God they must first consider the fruit of his ministry. What it really means to speak the truth in love, one post read. And this wasnt a one time thing. I had all the letters at that point. In this episode of The Roys Report, former Harvest elder, Dan George, joins Julie to tell the real story of MacDonalds firing. But again, reading those letters, and it does have a different impact when you read the actual letter than someone summarizes it. And now think about this. Thank you for loving the Church and the Lord God Almighty, to take the hard but righteous way rather than the hard way. I agree that its loving to speak the truth, even when its unpopular, but the New Testament also has a lot to say about the way we conduct ourselves and how we should treat each other. Come out of her, my people. Later that night, or first thing you know, into the wee hours of the next morning, the communication was out to the people of Harvest, and it was over. I talked to other people who told me of demands that he made for private jets on numerous occasions. And we got to a Saturday meeting then on the ninth. ( was spent) That seems pretty straightforward. Okay. Its funny how things turn out, and this situation isnt wrapped up, yet. And so really appreciate that and appreciate the time at which you did that. And to give you the flavor of the meeting, when I walked in the room, and we all greeted each other, we were in the former executive pastors office around an oval table, and James McDonald sitting across from me. To donate, James MacDonald Ministries June 13, 2021 Email, Ed Stetzer Named Dean of Biola Universitys Talbot School of Theology, James MacDonald Preaching at ARC Megachurch in Arizona, Landon MacDonald to Lead Arizona Megachurch Despite Allegations of Abuse When at Harvest Bible Chapel, Why Businessman Peter Chung Matters for the Future of The Kings College. Because your article seemed to conflate all these things. Ryan Visconti, the Arizona pastor platforming discredited celebrity preacher James MacDonald is attracting attention . I said, Sandy, Im so sorry, for what happened on my watch. I said, I will confess my transgression to the Lord, and you forgave the iniquity of my sin. But But I remember saying to the guys, listen, heres the passages Ive been studying. So so sorry for anyone who has had to face the James MacDonald storm. Yeah. But James McDonald, he did not like to fly with the commoners, from what I understand. Despite being disqualified from public ministry by his former megachurch for a "pattern of sinful behavior," James MacDonald is preaching at Generation Churchan Association of Related Churches (ARC) megachurch in Mesa, Arizona. Leslie said: Julie Roys is a Christian investigative reporter who has called out some big names, and she has suffered for it. The leaders in our church spoke like KJ era British people when they prayed, I always wondered why. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of "Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse" by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. And James, recently, in this video that he posted, said that there was an elder, in these meetings, he says, its very, very disparagingly who, who was holding his Bible and kept reading scripture. The picture with deceiver Kari Lake speaks volumes! And again, youre one of the people who actually apologized for that. But he said even the way said that he said, we got out of that meeting, we looked at each other. And I knew that I needed to do something publicly. That would have been December I think 18th, 2018. Also, any comments with profanity, name-calling, and/or a nasty tone will be deleted. I pray for the man. But like you do what that says and the people responded as you hope Christians do. Great! And I, I look back at those meetings that I was just describing, Julie, I dont I dont say this lightly. Like wow! And I checked my voicemail. He was the senior pastor of Harvest Bible Chapel megachurch in Rolling Meadows, Illinois, United States [1] [2] and was the host for the church's former broadcast ministry, Walk in the Word . Jared Prayed for you just now. I wasnt looking forward to that. The Roys Report seeks to foster thoughtful and respectful dialogue. What do you give, he would have been removed from Harvest, theres no doubt. Am I characterizing what happened there accurately? And there was just this push against a public rebuke. Julie, are you saying that you support trans mutilation/murder of pre-born children/and are against conservatives? Because Julie, I knew that, even if Id gotten the chance to read it in front of Harvest, which would have been really hard, but would have been healing to people. Judson is located on a beautiful 90 acre campus just 36 miles northwest of Chicago. If hes ok with lying it places doubt on the gospel. Why is that? The Roys Report reached out to MacDonald with questions about the email, which he would not answer on the record. Christians should stop feeding these people. I dont know how many people had heard of it. Thank you for taking the stand that you did. Opinion: What is Revivaland is it Happening at Asbury? And I listened to it. And he opened the meeting, looking at me and said, I know what youre going to do, and the church is going to implode or blow up, and its going to be on you. Instead of focusing on who is stronger and who is weaker, why dont we focus on how both of us can be strong for the kingdom and live out the calling that God has given to each of us individually and as a couple?, Visconti also posted recently on his Instagram story that abuse is not a biblical justification for divorce. The headlines really heated up after the December 2018 publication of "Hard Times at Harvest," a lengthy expos by investigative journalist Julie Roys. But according to a recent email by MacDonald, he's a victim of defamation by an "envious child"and needs your money "to rebuild." "Tragically . But its also an important podcast, because as you may know, James McDonald is aggressively trying to rewrite history and relaunch his ministry. Julie. I knew that I wasnt going to win any arguments in the room. It was really it was a painful meeting, it was a was an eye opening meeting as well though. Ed Stetzer was given a car by James MacDonald, along with a bunch of cash and other things that Roys documents in her reporting. But he said when he and Scott Phelps and Barry Slebaugh went into a meeting with James in the summer of 2012, asking for, whats your salary James? Julie Roys knows she published many false statements about me, false statements now proven such in a court of law, yet she has retracted nothing. Julie, thank you for your excellent work in exposing that which is done in darkness, among the body of Christ. This is going amongst the elders now. No, Im just reporting. We all need to do it together, etc, etc. Would you consider making a tax-deductible donation to help our journalists continue to report the truth and restore the church? Again, thanks so much for joining me today. And theres Ephesians 5 about exposing the unfruitful works of darkness having nothing to do with those. I was at work. You are Julie. Yes, yeah, there were a number of people. You did you have any idea that that this was out there, and might get aired? I dont know how the person who gave them to me got them. So lets move on to these letters. This is the passage. And what happened in all the backroom meetings, private conversations, and phone calls leading up to that fateful event? Imagine such a thing. Ill tell you on that Saturday, there were, we took a break, because it was a long meeting. I did not. And I said, Listen, I get it. We STILL confuse sex and gender, which leads to conflating a lot of issues when discussing this. So Rick was in the meeting, as were others, and they were defending saying the elders should not have the letters. I had, of course, people from Harvest who had heard it, sending me sending me clips. The Asbury Revival Is Over. It seems we are being punished for the acts of someone who was our spiritual leader and was misleading us in a very unqualified way. Others as well, who were defending and saying, well, the elders shouldnt even have these letters we had agreed, they go to the reconciliation team. What I especially find troubling is this: How come nobody has talked about the false doctrines that MacDonald has been preaching??? Yes, yes. The G in freemasonry stands for generation. Why would anyone who follows Jesus Christ care what Generation Church thinks about anything? The man does not make the ministry., God [emailprotected]. And by that time Harvest was 30, in its 31st. Ill tell you one thing, Julie. What really caused Harvest Bible Chapel to fire James MacDonald? We see this is the third article this month youve found worth reading. And it was just a deep sadness, deep sadness. Maybe some have on this platform for posting Julie has provided, but Ive never seen it. Just finished my post on clarifiers that will precede the deception lists. to Rick Donald. For narcissists, attracting attention is the point. I would listen to MacArthur, Piper and Macdonald on a regular basis. I still dont understand all sides of the transgender issue, but can say 2 things: 1. Do you expect ANYONE to say yes to your question. It was one of the big red flags to me, or I guess it was a yellow flag could have been a red flag, I wouldnt have done it. None of my sources said it was wrong. And there were meetings on Wednesday, where James McDonald was informed of the decision of the elder board. That was really wrongdoing at Harvest, would be to repent. And I had already written back to Executive Committee Chairman at the time and said, we cannot say unconditional support. So that tells you something about the backbone and the integrity of Dan Marquardt. I know James McDonald says it was a conference call. Yeah. 2. Hi. Great! However, you did sign a letter of unconditional support. Because they stood up to James or they just tried to walk away quietly because they couldnt they couldnt stomach what was going on any any longer. And so when they started arguing the process, I was just like, Oh, my gosh, thats what were just gonna talk about the process. I mean, even though at this point, your eyes have been opened. I had asked one of the one of the people on the reconciliation team earlier that day, I said, Im going to go into a meeting with James McDonald and I need I need to have the letters I need to know. How do spot a safe pastorand can. But I knew I needed to do it. Its phrased to make you feel morally superior. This is a story that directly contradicts what MacDonald published in recent videos and statements on his webpage. Thanks! Yes, and I would add that baked into the command for husbands to love their wives is the definition of love in 1 Corinthians 13. Hes not qualified. But to also say, this was this was my fault, too. I thought the weight was dealing with everything else in there was a weight, but that was the weight. And, again, this is five days after I published my expose of Harvest and World Magazine. And while youre at it, Id really appreciate it if youd help us spread the word about the podcast by leaving a review. when men make the final decision in the marriage, even if they consult with their wife first, chances of divorce increases 7.4 times . This is not my judgment but that of his elders from HBC. And again, this was on the churchs dime. . Other posts decried abortion, transgenderism, and Christians who are apolitical or nice.. Thank you. Were talking about the difference of maybe a day. It is not an ecclesiastical remedy at least not any longer. Then let me just ask you from the start, why are you doing this? Is that an accurate representation? He was in the many meetings leading up to McDonalds termination. Following allegations of years-long bullying and financial misconduct, the lead pastor and executive team of an Association of Related Churches (ARC) megachurch, Everyone was laughing and goading, like it was a jokeuntil it wasnt. And so what Id like to do is just rewind a couple of years to fall 2018. I shouldnt be doing this. Julie Roys is a veteran investigative reporter and founder of The Roys Report. And welcome to the podcast. When Christian leaders continue to teach that abuse does not constitute biblical grounds for divorce they are wrong, Vernick wrote. And then saying, I need a private jet to fly me home. It was a battle in the natural but more than that, there was a spiritual battle going on then, and I think its still going on now. I was thrown out of the church we gave our lives to by a group of rogue leaders, MacDonald writes. And this still disheartens me, because the people of Harvest, who we were supposed to be overseeing at that point, we were silent on that weekend, because we couldnt come to an agreement about what we would do. I mean his letter, not just talking about the abusive behavior of James, but the things he did with the money going on African safaris with the church money. We can put it up on the Harvest site, and Ill read it to the congregation on Saturday night. I mean, I got exonerated rather quickly. Dan, thank you for being a humble man of God. Is that how it went down? I just know I got them. How about it James McDonald and John MacArthur (and the like), how about it? Well, because Scripture says you do it in front of everybody. I stepped away from my computer a couple of times. There were voices raised. Like Tullian Tchvidjian, he would be a great salesman. And I turned to Scripture, and I went to Psalm 32, where you know, the companion to Psalm 51, where Davids writing. 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Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. And if I can give you a context, where I was in my thought process, in that. Malachi 2:16 has been harmfully interpreted & practiced based on twisted translations, Malachi 2 clearly talks about husbands dealing treacherously w their wives these husbands are the ones who hate and divorce 16 The man who hates and divorces his wife, says the Lord, the God of Israel, does violence to the one he should protect, says the Lord Almighty. Hear the dramatic and sovereignly orchestrated story of how MacDonalds actions finally came to light at Harvest. So I had a pretty good sense of what the meeting was gonna be from that point on. You can review it. 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